you know, as the fiscal cliff discussion approaches in washington, there is a lot of talk about budget cutting. do you worry about in this era of austerity that less money is going to be spent on things, important things like worker safety? >> i think we should all be deeply worried about that, because the risk of spending less on safety is going to result in people being maimed, disfigured hurt, killed on the job, where it doesn't have to happen the disaster at the upper big ben mine wasn't an accident. it was the result of a willful disregard of health and safety and a failure to enforce that effectively. in an era of budget cutting we risk repeating that. >> well, there were some other -- there was other news today out on the industrial front, which is we also learned that two b.p., british petroleum rig supervisors and former beep executive pleaded inning from charges stemming from the 2010 deep water horizon rig disaster. they claim their scapegoats for higher ups like former c.e.o. tony hayward. b.p. had fines on the civil side. do you think that they were being scapegoated? do y